I am going to go for my lead rope certification within the next month hopefully and I was wondering about everyone's opinions on using an ATC or GriGri or any other belay device for lead climbing. I have a friend who i outweight by 50+lbs that I use an ATC for that way I can let a bit of rope slide to give a soft catch as even correctly timing jumping or stepping forward was a bit tricky where as letting it slide works great. Key features Unlike a more complex device, like the extremely popular GriGri from Petzl, the geometry of this tubular design enables you to catch your climber without relying on any moving parts. We have a Pilot and have used it for gym climbing on top rope. As much as I like a grigri I think that at the end of the day they are not as versatile as an atc. https://climbinggeargeek.com/advantages-of-the-different-types-of-belay-devices A GriGri can generally handle a top belay just as efficiently as an ATC-Guide, and … The first year on a Gri-Gri2, then left it at the gym (and was taken), so I switched to a Mamut Smart (also an assisted device) for the next 1-2 years. :p. Yeah you're very right. With this set up correctly for toprope belaying, if your second takes a fall, the device will lock, just like with a Grigri. Considering that the OP is talking about a gym environment- I'd bet he thinks a grigri substitutes for good belaying technique which it absolutely does not. I dont feel more safe either way. The Birdie seemed to be very similar to the classic auto-locking Gri-Gri which has been around for 30 years without much competition. Here, we review and recommend the best … Successful belaying on an ATC is a pass/fail exam, unlike a Grigri where the feedback isn’t as obvious (e.g. As someone that dose alpine and big wall trad. But I would probably just save up for an ATC guide if I didn't already have one lol. Congrats on the fast progression! Assisted Braking Devices are cheap and better in all regards. It could really help out when multipitching etc. Press J to jump to the feed. Don't blame people being darwinian failures on a piece of metal. Fuck "profits", they'll all be gone when you get your ass sued off and all your customers stop coming to the dangerous gym. I've heard alot of differing opinions on ATCs. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Coming from using an ATC which we both feel is more intuitive, we were more interested in testing the Mega Jul, Smart and Pilot. Why do you prefer to use a grigri on multiputch? Shoppers should recognize that none of the active assisted locking devices can rappel a doubled rope, nor can the passive ClickUp+, Black Diamond ATC Pilot, or Mammut Smart 2.0. I use an ATC Pilot for single pitch lead belaying. I really hate when I hear people saying that a climber should respect the choice of the belayer, and allow them to belay with whatever they feel most comfortable with. Forcing someone to belay with a GriGri when they are not yet comfortable is a terrible idea. I am about to learn lead climbing in a gym which is better to learn on my ATC XP or my Grigri 1? Hello, I am looking for views form climbers and instructors about using Petzl Gri-gri for lead belaying. Just get a GriGri. Recently within the past two months I have gotten into top rope climbing and I can confidently climbing 5.11-5.11+ confidently in a gym setting. Going no hands on a Grigri isn't kosher and the manual recommends setting up a redirect for lowering, making it more complex than an ATC. EDIT: I encourage people not to sport climb with belayers using an ATC. I found the Pilot helped me to reel in and pay out slack more smoothly than the Edelrid Mega Jul did. sbakerclimbs. If you have any numbers to persuade me otherwise Id love to see them. Think of the leftys out there. You should take some time to practice belaying ambidextrous. Absolutely not. Presentación del asegurador ATC Pilot de Black Diamond en la Feria OutDoor Friedrichshafen 2016. The GriGri is a great choice, and probably the most widely used assisted braking belay device around. This is the case for a variety of reasons. Second this. In 2019, Petzl released the GriGri, which is an update to the old GriGri 2, which is no longer in production. ABDs are safer and more comfortable for both parties. I think being competent in both is important. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Gri Gri is an assisted breaking belay device made by Petzl. Those models are the ATC XP, ATC Guide, Verso, Reverso, Smart Alpine, and Giga and Mega Juls. So I have an ATC-XP I should have just gone with the guide . Note: Sorry if my tone sucked here. Know what grinds my gears? Designed for all users, the GRIGRI is a belay device with assisted blocking for belaying both in the gym and at the crag. Press J to jump to the feed. Save the ATC for the rap down. From your own posts: bad belay, the end, device does not matter one bit. As always in climbing, having redundant safety measures in your gear and practice is beneficial. Some crags are only single pitch, or at least have an abundance of them. If you're tired of unsafe conditions in the gym. Yes, it looks similar and it performs similarly, and Black Diamond isn’t claiming they invented the concept; the ATC-Pilot is just their take on it. I think after this week I will have enough cash to take a look at the grigri. Rock Climbin' Grandma. I use both. Also, you should always have an ATC or similar to rap off anyway. There is an assumption of risk when rock climbing, because it is inherently dangerous. Adding a higher level of security to your belay, the lightweight Black Diamond ATC Pilot belay device lends easy rope payout, which is less tiring for belayers and more secure for climbers. Anecdotal evidence, but the only time I have been dropped (luckily indoors and not super high up) was by a belayer who was uncomfortable operating a grigri and fucked up. ), Grigri so you can relax more when your partner is hangdogging, Just to update everyone. There's a lot of wisdom there. The home of Climbing on reddit. Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:26:44 GMT Hello MOJA! ATCs arent dangerous. Fun times ahead. Just trying to keep climbers safe. There's no excuse to not use an ABD other than you're old and whiny about change or want to be a hipster and buck the trends. The cost of the BD Pilot is R700, vs. R1,325 for the Petzl Grigri 2. Also thank you for the kind words! My gym gives members 15% off items in their store. I would say that using an ATC is slightly more “risky” than using as assisted braking device, provided that both devices are being used properly, but that doesn’t mean that the ATC isn’t a perfectly fine, effective device. Also, you should always have an ATC or similar to rap off anyway. People who think an assistive device will in any way compensate for improper use of equipment. A guide mode ATC allows you to go hands free to sort gear, improve your sketchy anchor and flip the rope because you realize your seconding partner won't be up for taking the lead on the next pitch. You’re not at a disadvantage per se. I doubt the gym would get its ass sued off, and I highly doubt that such a lawsuit would be successful. Learn both well. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I know none of us would think we would ever drop a rope, but what if it was a 200 pound rock? shitty belayer - unsafe. When I teach people to belay I always have them learn on an ATC as I’ve seen too many climbers depending on the assisted braking of other devices, leading them to do unsafe things like take their hands off the brake strand without tying off the belay. I've been lead climbing indoors and outdoors for the past 4-5 years now, and have been getting experience in trad climbing for the last year. I'm actually intrigued by the BD ATC Pilot, anyone got miles on that yet? Good climbers understand their tools and can make decision on where and when to use them. and allow them to belay with whatever they feel most comfortable with, Sure, force them to belay with something they're uncomfortable with, that'll make it much safer. Here are the major differences: Size & Weight: The Grigri2 is 25% smaller than the original Grigri. As with other assisted braking belay devices, the ATC Pilot is intended to make catching and holding falls easier than with a standard tube-style device. No you don't. But, if there is a better option I would love to hear the discussion! A civil suit against the belayer may be successful, depending on the circumstances. I cant imagine climbing a big wall without a grigri/cinch. Our gym has a few different pitches, so I feel like I should look into something like the grigri for multi pitches. Both these devices can be used for multipitch climbing. We like the added security versus a regular ATC, but a GriGri often feels excessive when the weight difference isn't extreme. GriGri vs. ATC: Which Is Best for Multipitch Climbing? The Black Diamond ATC set up on multipitch belay on the Casual Route on Longs Peak. Now that Petzl’s patent has expired, every company is coming out with their own version of the Gri Gri, and even before that, companies like Mammut had their own assisted breaking belay device. Available at REI, 100% Satisfaction Guaranteed. That being said that’s the only belay device I use for lead at the moment. I have been top roping in a gym for 2 years, and am comfortable on both. The Grigri2 is primarily an improvement over its predecessor as climbing equipment technology and climber's needs evolve. I think the gri gri 2 is the standard all around sport climbing choice, the + is heavier, more durable and has some features oriented to new climbers like the anti panic lever. It's the standard among my climbing group - mostly because it protects against worst case scenarios. I like an ATC for belaying a leader just because it feeds smoother than a Grigri, Grigri for top rope, but I'll use either. Additionally, many climbers (and beginners are naturally at greater risk) don’t have the mechanical aptitude to identify and mitigate possible problems in a technical scenario as complex as the operation of a Grigri. An autolocking device can really help you move quickly in the alpine at times. I guess my concern was it's not an assisted breaking device. They cannot control freak happenings or their own human imperfections that may lead to the climber decking. My goal is I want to be as safe as possible. Become comfortable with it. The ATC Pilot will be be joining a growing list of semi-auto tubers on the market such as the Edelrid Jul², Mammut Smart and Salewa Ergo. Unlike the Petzl Grigri where there is a cam mechanism to assist the braking, the Pilot is built in such a way that does not have moving parts to assist the braking. The all-new ATC Pilot from Black Diamond presents climbers with a simple and reliable assisted-braking belay device for single-pitch climbs, both indoors and out. People that say you have to use one or the other are just being ignorant. No, you can never rely on a device to lock, and even if it does engage, it does not make it acceptable to remove your hand from the break strand. forrestpock 24 Nov 2015. And yes we are scared of falling. Also, learn to lead belay with a Grigri properly. Yeah, I own a gri-gri, but feeding rope can be a bitch so I just use my reverso. Train them, ban them whatever. The design of the handled camming mechanism enables exceptional descent control. Buy two GriGris and zip tie together, problem solved. Belay devices are experiencing a renaissance of sorts, with more innovative options on the market than ever. I find it much more awkward and fiddly to belay on lead with a GriGri. Get rid or the shitty customers. Get rid or the shitty customers. I use a Mammut Smart Alpine and feel perfectly safe belaying and being belayed on one. Either is fine. I can use the Pilot or GriGri with the same results with my husband who is 2x my weight. It's clear you have your mind made up and are just preaching. As someone who learned to lead belay using an ATC first, and who for a while felt much more comfortable using an ATC over a Grigri, all climbers should be more comfortable using a Grigri. That being said, the Birdie is cheaper and performed really well. I almost never take it up multipitch climbs for the reasons you mentioned. I bought a GriGri "3" today. I just picked up a Madrock Lifeguard to try out. I just picked up a Madrock Lifeguard to try out. The home of Climbing on reddit. It is risky to use an ATC? So ill have to check it out there! I also don't really like your tone, try being nicer. They come with easy-to understand instruction on how to load the rope etched onto the device itself (see photo), and are assisted braking devices. End of story. Many people never do. did you arrest the fall or was it the device?). Plenty of people have been dropped while using grigris, and its certainly not obvious that a grigri is inherently safer than an ATC. And yes we are scared of falling. Bad belaying is dangerous. Many gyms now require an assisted braking device for lead belaying, so maybe look into a cheaper one like the ATC Pilot or Mammut Smart. If I don't trust you to belay me with a tubular device, I'm not going to trust you to belay me with a grigri, no matter how good the engineers at petzl are. I really recommend the GriGri! Train them, ban them whatever. Yes, this is a bad belayer all around. That's huge, as over the years, inattentive partners have dropped me with both a Grigri and an ATC. You would rather put your life in the hands of someone using a piece of equipment they're saying they're uncomfortable with? But don't be fooled into thinking it is entirely safe! I am very comfortable with my atc and I feel like it keeps me accountable! It it also 20% lighter. / Lead belay with Gri-gri vs ATC or Bug: New Topic Reply to Topic. Cookies help us deliver our Services. But I do use a grigri for top rope because it’s a lot easier. ATC - safe. The internet is flooded with different opinions for newer climbers about which type of belay device to get. Reviews are that it feeds way better than a Grigri and is a bit cheaper. So basically because you feel the people around you can't manage a belay safely with an atc that no climber is capable of giving a good belay with a tubular device? If you’re used to belaying with an ATC, and still will outdoors, then the Edelrid Jul or the Black Diamond ATC Pilot offer the most similar slack feeding technique, but use assisted braking tech. I think I'll end up getting a GriGri. They are two tools that can be used in different situations. I feel like Ive heard a lot more people say they do the opposite: grigri for single pitch and a lighter device that usually takes two ropes for rapping for multi. Remove the unsafe part of the system. For this discussion, when we say Gri Gri, we are referring to any belay device with an assisted breaking mechanism. It seems to be the safer choice in case something ever did happen! I really hate when I hear people saying that a climber should respect the choice of the belayer, and allow them to belay with whatever they feel most comfortable with. ‘Veilig zekeren bij sportklimmen’ – versie 02-02-2011. Use it right. If you have ever climbed in an indoor gym, you have most likely seen or used a Gri Gri.Indoor gyms usually opt to use Gri Gris because they are more dummy-proof than the ATC. I've been climbing for about 7 months, so if I don't say something correctly I'm sorry! Yes, all climbers should learn to give a safe belay with a GriGri. There is no reason to use a tube anymore. Last night was mayhem at my gym watching people making so many mistakes. I find it very uncomfortable to belay at all with a GriGri. This topic has been archived, and won't accept reply postings. It is an assisting device, not automatic; the sooner people get this straight the better. https://youtu.be/FHdqjjyeTtg (video feel tedious, but it's good info! So would I be at a disadvantage belaying someone? Auteur: NKBV, Harald Swen 3 Afbeeldingen 4-6: Links de Petzl Grigri 2 (nieuw voor 2011), in het midden de Mammut Smart (in 2011 Fuck "profits", they'll all be gone when you get your ass sued off and all your customers stop coming to the dangerous gym. But at least a grigri would have locked. Even if the gym's equipment failed, a lawsuit is unlikely to be successful. I feel I am very safe and attentive with my Grigri. Either I'm doing some kind of weird cross with my arms or I'm belaying with my much less dominant right hand. If that means spending around 100 bucks to do that...i can live with that! There are a number of similar devices as well. I like an ATC for belaying a leader just because it feeds smoother than a Grigri, Grigri for top rope, but I'll use either. I also found that if I accidently let go of the Pilot while lowering a partner I would not lose control of the rope. Either is fine. I love that about climbing! Your rant is silly. when used correctly an ATC is a time-tested, effective device. The gym I go to and took my lead test at only taught us using an atc. I will never use a gri gri I find them heavy and way to expensive.i would rather have a device i can belay and rappell with. I always tell people that I think climbing is a physical puzzle. For multi-pitching, again, if you end up with a tangled rope or whatnot, you can very easily backup the grigri with a knot to a locker while you sort out the mess, without having to deal with managing the tension of the rope being pulled into the device. No matter how good of a belayer they are. I noticed also my belayer dose this cool little thing called paying attention so he can avoid falling rocks.Your post had alot of angst and no facts just so you know......... ^ This...My GriGri only goes to the gym or cragging. You can easily rap on a single line, but lowering is usually preferred (most definitely at my local crags at least) so this would be fine. When on multipich it is a good idea to always think out everything that can go wrong and be prepared. Do you have a third hand, and/or an automatic locking system backup when you fuck up? When you are climbing, safety is always the number one concern. The ATC Pilot weighs only 86g (making it one of the lightest assisted braking devices available) and it accepts ropes from 8.7–10.5mm in diameter, which accommodates most single ropes. Black Diamond ATC Pilot Belay Device Review (and two other ATC's too!) Grigris are nice but they're unnecessary for simply gym climbing imo. Reviews are that it feeds way better than a Grigri and is a bit cheaper. Don't blame people being darwinian failures on a piece of metal. The cam-assisted blocking function makes belaying more convenient when a climber is working a route or when catching a fall. The GriGri is worth its weight in gold in those situations. I appreciate that! Learn both. Otherwise we would have bought 200 of them from BD. First, the device is simply safer. Use a grigri. Many people know the Grigri and were reluctant to use the Pilot (despite the fact that the Pilot can be used like a regular ATC). The ATC-Pilot has been getting a lot of flack for looking and operating similar to the Salewa Ergo, Edelrid Jul² and Mammut Smart. I use a grigri for multipitch. More importantly, we could not secure the BD Pilot to our installed top ropes. One of our friend IIRC got kicked in the face by a falling lead climber, and dropped his hand from the rope. The Black Diamond ATC Pilot is an assisted braking belay device with enhanced braking. From my testing, the Mammut Smart 2.0 beats out the Black Diamond ATC Pilot in all categories except for the package size on the harness, and would be my recommended choice for any climber looking for an added layer of security in case of an injury of the belayer at a lower weight and price point than a grigri. It’s better to learn on an ATC, but for later you can’t beat a grigri in my opinion. GriGri vs. ATC for First Belay Device. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Then recently switched back to a Gri-Gri+ in the last ~6 months. The Petzl GriGri is an active assisted braking device that has long been the gold-standard for this genre, seen at crags and gyms all over the world. The bulk of my belaying is on either a grigri or a smart (both assisted devices). Absolutely not. Plus on multipitch routes a gri gri is pretty heavy. (Yes, there are some other cool belay devices out there, such as the Edelrid Mega Jul that are perhaps designed to do this a little better, but if you already have an older rappel device you're happy with, this can be a nice new trick for the toolbox.) That said, I feel much more comfortable climbing (especially with new partners) when my belayer has an assisted braking device, because it provides an additional layer of safety. Overall, we found that while the ATC outperformed the GriGri in specific areas (such as weight and beginner use), the GriGri is overall the better system. Just not purple, because that's my color and I don't want them to get mixed up. Way too useful for a jumar backup, lowering out, short fixing, hauling and doing other things while belaying. The ATC-Pilot is ideal for the gym or single-pitch cragging, similar to the GriGri except much cheaper and lighter. Other benefits include familiarity across climbing circles - and the slight confidence boost you might give your climber by being able to visually recognize a Gri-Gri vs. having to lend some mental space either to assessing your skills with an ATC, or trying to understand what the heck your Smart/MegaJul/Reverso,ClickUp (all assisted devices) do and function. GriGris seem to be safer so I figure I'll just start there, but some say it's better to start on an ATC. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Luckily I was not involved in any of them. I don't know anyone with a revo, looks pretty beefy. Wow you gave me a ton of advice! Gri-gri - safe. 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